Welcome to the Jungle Transcript

Liz: Imagine if Eden isn't really what people thought it was. Eden was supposed to be the place we all wanted to be. That was really the ultimate goal of the Creation Story was here is perfection, and this is how you all fucked it up. This is the cautionary tale of why your human existence is so awful. And this is why you suffer.

Rhea: You're punished, 

Liz: You're being punished, but the other way to see it is no, you're not being punished. You made a choice that in order to really appreciate what perfection and Eden and heaven and paradise or what have you looks like and that experience of it, you need to go and experience the opposite. Sometimes in order to come into consciousness around something, you experienced the antithesis, because you need to understand every single dimension of it. Oneness Consciousness, the idea of Fifth Dimensional Consciousness, and the sort of perfection that resides within that is more like a jungle, where there are many snakes, many predators. Anything is possible, and everything coexists in that one space. 

Rhea: So it isn't Eden at all? 

Liz: So it's less . . . it is Eden, but it's how we've interpreted it and the vision that we've had of it, what our imaginations have taught us, you know, it's less the garden of Versailles and it's more like the Amazonian jungle.

Rhea: Okay, but then how is that perfection and peace?

Liz: Isn't the Amazonian jungle, the rainforests, aren't they perfection? Don't they support our entire world? 

Rhea: Doesn't feel very peaceful though. 

Liz: Yes, but there are people who've been able to exist within them because they're in harmony with that energy. They're not hazardous environments, but you can exist within it. You just have to understand where you are within that. In Fifth Dimensional Consciousness and Oneness Consciousness, there are no rules. In many ways, anything goes because anything is possible. The flip side is to really realize your potential, you really have to home in on who you are and know yourself because what ultimately rules 5D are not rules per se. It's respect. I respect myself, which means I can respect you. If you're not living up to your full potential, it means you're not respecting yourself because you're not honoring who you are. You're not honoring the reason you came here. You're just existing and when you choose to be on that plane of existence, joy is not enabled or possible. You lack the heart connection. 

Rhea: So it's just pain or relief from pain. That's as far as it goes.

Liz: Precisely. If you are choosing to realize your full potential, if you are living up to you, who you are, who you chosen to be in this lifetime, not just your reason for being here, but your purpose, etc., then you have switched that plane from the plane of existence to the plane of living. You're choosing to live; you are living your purpose, and then you can be ruled by respect. And what separates those two, right? If we really want to talk about separation, which I don't like because within oneness consciousness, everything is possible. When I'm talking about you have a plane of existence where you're merely existing, and then there's that plane of living, you are pretty much on the same plane at all times within Oneness Consciousness.

Rhea: Okay. 

Liz: But it's your choice. That's the distinction that is made. It's not a separation per se, because you're always going to be surrounded by people who are opting for existence, but they will operate side by side. It's not going to really look so different. It's going to be experienced differently.

Rhea: So really the world's not going to look very different at all. The only thing that's different is we're all going to have more self-respect and respect for each other.

Liz: Yes, but that will be the root of a great deal of growth and evolution that we will see play out in the world. So even though the world will appear very similar, the actions and experiences will be a lot more fine-tuned and will move toward healing. Because right now nothing looks to be healed. Nothing seems to be in the process of healing on any level. Personally, a lot of people seem to be working toward it. But as we sort of see governments collapsing or systems collapsing and shifting and changing, that all just seems very destructive right now. 

Rhea: Basically, what you're saying is, we will think Oneness Consciousness is a place that everyone just like, everything is possible. I'm going to do what I want. Every dream I've ever had that in my purpose is going to be actualized. But actually, life will be the same, but your experience of it will be different and your experience of it will be much more like, oh, this was teaching me something important. By learning that I'm one step closer to feeling pure joy. Cool.

Liz: Yes. 

Rhea: It's all that, so it's more . . .

Liz: And when I'm realizing that joy, I seem to have greater abundance. That's awesome too, right?

Rhea: It's not the world is different, it's that we're different in the world.

Liz: Yeah. And responding to it differently.

Rhea: Which then obviously, over time will mean that the world changes too.

Liz: But we all have to coexist within this one world of complete lawlessness, where we're going to have to figure out in this jungle certain things are awesome, but certain things will also poison you and kill you. Are you going to discover that because you're going to eat it? Are you just going to pay attention and realize that, “Oh, okay, I am in tune. This is going to work for me and I know this isn't going to work”. 

Rhea: Well, I kind of see the Welcome to the Jungle as a transition period., not as the end point.

Liz: You know, it's not. It is definitely the transition period. 

Rhea: Where we're just seeing all the shit that we can no longer deny. We are being confronted by the underbelly of all our societies, by all the stuff we've wanted to ignore, and it keeps happening, and I think that's why it feels like a jungle,

Liz: But it's going to feel that way for several years.

Rhea: But we wouldn't feel that way personally. 

Liz: No, that's the thing. When a power vacuum is created and people scramble and people are reminded of their powerlessness, what they want to do is they want to reach and find it somehow, as opposed to going within and saying, well, I'm empowered in my life because I'm able to live this way and I can do this for myself. Not looking outward for somebody to bestow that power, or to take care of them or to manage their lives, but that they can do it themselves, or that they can ask for the help that's needed. But they have to be able to navigate that themselves, and that keeps them in that empowered place. If you're opting to exist, it means that you're opting to stay in your pain, that you're not looking to transcend it.

Rhea: There's a lot that comes from our religion that ends up kind of being shoved in us that we don't even realize. But then you kind of see it throughout time. It's always been separation. It's always been right and wrong. 

Liz: And humans having to prove that they are somehow worthy, or they are somehow good enough. Even certain spiritual influencers sort of talk about that. You just need to be more grateful. You just need to be more . . . this, and so we're always confronting that, even people with the best of intentions. What really matters about the Eden story and the creation stories, the Adam and Eve angle has everything to do with being told you are wrong, you are imperfect, because you're stupid. You don't know better. 

Rhea: You succumb to temptation. You don't realize what you've got so you're going to lose it. It's actually links back to gratitude, funnily enough. 

Liz: Yeah. And it makes you weak.

Rhea: Yeah. 

Liz: And because you are by nature weak, you are not deserving. You got to prove that you're deserving. So for a long time, people have bought into a story, not just that story, very similar stories that had all the same theme, which were you are not good enough until somebody decides that you're good enough. So you're just going to have to keep proving that you are. And this has underpinned many of our civilizations and our hierarchies under which we've existed. You're never going to be good enough because there's always going to be somebody who's better than you, and that was really ultimately an attempt to explain separation. How can we know some other level of perfection, if what surrounds us is crap?

Rhea: So it's basically there has to be a better way, but we don't deserve it. 

Liz: Yeah. 

Rhea: So we were right in the sense that you have to transcend your pain in order to find this place of joy. But the mistake was, it wasn't in the next life. It was in this life.

Liz: And it wasn't outside of us. It wasn't a destination outside of ourselves. It was internal. And what we came to equate our consciousness with was a fall from grace.

Rhea: That story wasn't wrong, because it was explaining separation, but like everything else that we seem to have in our society, it was a story that we took way too fucking literally. Because at the end of the day, yeah, we are born and we're going to experience pain in order to uncover our little wounds, and that pain will help us heal those wounds. And then we'll be freer and freer and freer and freer until we are living in peace and joy in this seeming Garden of Eden. But our garden of Eden is still going to look like the world, because we're still going to be living in this world. The heaven that we're looking for is still available to us in this world. 

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: We just have to choose ourselves. 

Liz: Exactly, and get beyond the shame of being ourselves because that was the other part of the story. They became conscious. 

Rhea: Oh yeah, they don't want to be naked anymore. 

Liz: They became ashamed. It's interesting because the phrase is "fall from grace". What underpins Oneness is actually grace. So grace is compassion which can result in peace once we fully wired compassion in.

Rhea: So once we see that we are all where we're meant to be in accordance with our evolution, once we see that everyone else is just acting from a place where they are, once we understand where we are on that spectrum, we should have the peace because we just get it. We're not trying to fight ourselves. We're allowing ourselves instead and that's peace. 

Liz: Exactly. In Eden, or the jungle if you will, as I prefer to see it, it's not the fall in terms of breaking rules, but we fail to respect our humanity. So that's our fall from grace if you will.

Rhea: So basically, instead of just seeing as humans, that we all on this journey for whatever reason, and so these hurts, traumas, reactions to those traumas, all that stuff that will eventually lead us to joy, are part of that path, are part of our humanness.

Liz: Yeah. 

Rhea: We have made that experience a punishment?

Liz: Yes. 

Rhea: So when we fell from grace, we have been punished as a result of our humaneness, rather than seeing to transcend our humanness is to see that was always grace.

Liz: And part of that actually comes in owning our desires. Because one thing that we are taught is that we cannot give into our desires. We cannot want; we cannot yearn for things of the flesh. We have to have a level of self-denial, which has then warped how we relate to one another.

Rhea: If you can't own what you want, because you don't think you'll get it, you'll happy to settle because then you're existing, not living. Kind of goes back to that. But if you think I am able to get everything I want, or at least I am able to own that I want it, which is honestly the only stuff you really need.

Liz: Yes, completely.

Rhea: Like we don't need to go further than that. 

Liz: No. 

Rhea: Owning what you want is just being able to say I want it. You don't have to do anything about it.

Liz: Don't label it; don't qualify it and not feel shame around it.

Rhea: No, because there's nothing to be shameful about

Liz: What the dimensional Oneness Consciousness is, as we cease to exist within a paradigm of heavy-handed rules, what will replace that or what will arise in place of that and in that sort of field of respect, I respect myself therefore I am able to respect you. I hold myself in compassion and therefore I can have compassion for you. That compassion leads to my own inner peace, which means I can exist and live with grace and that grace enables us to coexist and the grace that I experience enables me to exist on this plane, where I can be around those who are suffering and not.

Rhea: We think of the Garden of Eden. Okay, and you think about our lives, and even this podcast, what are we doing? We're saying, wade through the layers of your shit, divest yourself of them one by one, see that you are in a different place, learn that you were never not good enough, that you were just be told you aren't by other people and yourself in order to rationalize your pain and your fear. And that was why you had an ego. That was why all of that existed. And once you see that, you are then free. And you can see that you were always good enough and you can live a life of joy. That is the heaven/hell story. But it's just an internal one. 

Liz: Yes. 

Rhea: It's just one where there are no rules. It's just follow your heart, let the chips fall where they may, because whatever happens, you will always end up at a place of freedom. The only time you're not free is when you're telling yourself you don't deserve to be. That is it. No wonder the world is going to look messy and confusing and not as Eden-y as we think.

Liz: No 

Rhea: Because everyone's going to be making a boatload of different choices. Some of them are going to be looking really weird. Some of them will be looking really not weird to us, to our perspectives. But at the same time, we're all slowly figuring out and healing all our shit and healing shit is messy. So the world is going to look messy because in order to heal it, you have to see it first. 

Liz: But the more healed you become, the more in compassion you are, the more you can hold the rest in compassion, no matter where it's at. 

Rhea: Which is basically taking the broader perspective is seeing that everyone's just in their own stage of healing, and eventually, at some point we will all get to the same kind of place. Some may get there faster. Some may get there slower. Some people need a helping hand; some don't. Just kind of let it play out a little bit. It's going to go a little bit wacky before it all kind of comes together because there are a lot of moving parts. It's not just ours.

Liz: Every single institution has to come apart. Doesn't matter what it is; doesn't matter what they represent, because so long as you have that level of hierarchy, it does not help people come into Oneness. We're trying to piece together what 2020 looks like . . . slowly, and this jungle is just one more piece of that puzzle. Understanding that you are no more separate from your fellow person next to you to the plant outside. We are all One in that.