Every Kinda People

Liz: So really one of the main themes of this season has been Oneness.

Rhea: Well, one of the main themes of this world has been Oneness.

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: You know, you can't go on any social media post or talk to any kind of spiritual anything without hearing the words 3D Separation, 5D or Oneness.

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: That's just . . . It's become a buzzword.

Liz: Very much.

Rhea: But I don't think many people fully understand what it means or what it entails. A lot of the work that's out there now feels like it's quite at the beginning, and I know from having listened to myself on Season 1 of the podcasts that I thought I knew everything then, but actually I knew very little.

Liz: I think we can all know a lot on the surface. There's like a lot of surface concepts.

Rhea: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

Liz: People kind of grasp or want to grasp and are open-minded enough to want to believe.

Rhea: Yeah. But I think you know, when you look at consciousness, what I thought consciousness was and what it truly is, it's very different. Full body consciousness involves being a whole healed person.

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: That is very hard to achieve when you are running away or you're still holding fear and karma.

Liz: Yes, absolutely.

Rhea: It is. It is. Oneness is very hard to achieve when you're still holding any ounce of yourself or someone else in Separation. It's a lot more of a process. It's a lot more of an experience than we think it is.

Liz: Right. Therein lies the work. That's the work we're talking about.

Rhea: And to be honest, my experience with the work is being knocked on my ass many, many fucking times.

Liz: It gets a little ugly.

Rhea: It does. But you know, if I think about it, I lived and breathed this shit, my shit, my whole life. But I lived and breathed working through it for three, four years and it was intensive and it was hard, and I had to face a lot of crap I didn't want to face. None of this is easy, but none of this has to be work either

Liz: Right. No, because it is quite simple and when you really see it for what it is, you're like, oh, I can do that. I know I can do that. I mean, you said that several times. Even when things got tough, it was like, I know I can do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to have to do this. If I could, I would just be done, but at the same time you kept going.

Rhea: Because I think really the more we pretend to ourselves that we're okay, the more there is going to be to unravel when we realize we're not.

Liz: Yeah.

Rhea: It's as simple as that.

Liz: In sort of the old days, if you will. By old days, I just mean a long, long, long time ago and you are just sort of equating ...

Rhea: When you were a child.

Liz: Fuck you!! Long before I was born. A couple centuries ago. No, it was just the devotion to God was work, like you had to flog yourself or be willing to torture yourself or really suffer for your faith. And so when we talk about the work and we say it's not pretty, it's not ugly, it could almost start sounding like that. But we're not saying torture yourself.

Rhea: No.

Liz: The sooner you can come into more awareness and see it for what it is, the more practical and doable it becomes.

Rhea: And I also think that there is this real belief that we can only learn from pain, and that's because we associated love with pain because love wasn't love in Separation. It was a mirror to our pain.

Liz: Right. Because we also ... and we associated - makes sense why we had to record that episode - devotion is pain.

Rhea: Yeah.

Liz: Everything was always going to hurt us.

Rhea: But devotion is another form of Love, right?

Liz: Exactly. The reason we had to was because in order to work through Separation, in order to really come into Oneness in a world of complete Separation. So I'm talking about like back in the days of the martyrs and you know...

Rhea: Back in the days. This was like last week. We still have martyrs. We still...

Liz: We do. We have, but they're such superficial martyrs. I mean, come on!

Rhea: But they're still ... but whether a superficial society exists and we live in it, or whether it's much more ingrained, it still affects us. It still exists.

Liz: It still exists, but I'm really thinking about the absolute aesthetics and I do know that they still exist. I do know renunciates still exist.

Rhea: But even Liz, someone who sacrifices themselves in a family unit, someone who sacrifices down themselves in a job, someone who sacrifices themselves in a relationship, what we believe is love, what we believe is relationship, what we believe is success, it's all sacrifice and pain.

Liz: In order to be a healed person, which means in order to be closer to God, I have to suffer.

Rhea: Yes. But saying that the fastest ways I have healed haven't been through suffering. They've been through joy.

Liz: Yeah.

Rhea: Because actually there are two ways of doing this. Yes, we've got to hold our Shit and face it.

Liz: There are many ways of doing this.

Rhea: In my experience, you got to hold your Shit and face it.

Liz: Yes, and that part hurts.

Rhea: Yes. Always.

Liz: As you said, it's humbling

Rhea: Because it hurt when it happened and we've just been pushing it down, so it's still going to hurt. It hasn't changed. It's not like it happened to us today. Happened to us years ago often. But then there is another part where you can learn through joy because that becomes ... you know, that's a different thing. I don't know how to explain why, but I know that I have learned just as much through joy and if not better, in many ways. But I wasn't capable of joy when I was still holding so much Shit. That was the difference.

Liz: A lot of times what we're going through might hurt, but whatever we're going through is meant to remind us of the old hurt, not to create new hurt. And that's all it is because once we've healed the hurt, the old hurt, new hurt doesn't necessarily present itself. If the potential for new hurt presents itself, we manage it differently once we've healed. Your capacity to manage it and face it is so present and so strong that it just doesn't hit the same way

Rhea: When you talk about martyrs and when you talk about sacrificing for devotion, we've spoken about mission in this season, we've spoken about purpose. We've spoken about how the world needs the light through a dark age. And for me, all those things reinforce a fear that I've had since I was quite young, which was that it was my fate to suffer.

Liz: First of all, we've had lifetimes of suffering so we are wired to believe. And again, it's also that in order to move through Separation into Oneness when only separation prevailed, it was near impossible. It was really the journey of a lifetime. And ...

Rhea: Was that the journey of the lifetime usually?

Liz: Yes. To find some way to heal and to get closer. I mean, we would often miss the mark because Separation is Separation. For what it is, you just do the fucking best you can. But that's why one would have to toil time and again in order to be able to experience source and light and God, because being able to bring in and experience that. I think we described in a previous episode it was always the game of consciousness, and the game of consciousness begins with the game of karma. We've always been here for Oneness, plain and simple, and destiny was the route to get there and our destiny was really to find a way to it.

Rhea: So, destiny from what I've learned, and when I say learned is what I've experienced because I am that annoying person who has to understand it for herself. And we've joked about this in the first season that if you tell me something's hot, I have to touch it. It's just who I am. I won't know unless I know. So destiny is effectively - from what I understand - in karma or out really but I've only really experienced it, we mostly have experienced it within our shit, our karma, our trauma - is making choices based on what we feel called to do, rather than what other people tell us to do in what other way. Effectively destiny is following our heart in every choice and allowing those choices to evolve to the next one. And it's just choice by choice, stepping stone by stepping stone, shaking off your Shit and creating some good times where you can. So I thought, well then that's destiny. That's it.

Liz: And karma is the way to our destiny, right? Our karmic story, as we talked about is the way to heal ourselves because through every choice we make to follow our hearts and come back into ourselves and come back whole and healed is what brings us out of our karma, and that's when we're able to realize our destiny. Your karma is going to be the shitty stuff.

Rhea: Okay.

Liz: Your destiny is going to be the stuff that comes after the shitty stuff, so the shitty stuff teaches. You move through that to heal. Destiny is that marker of that healing point.

Rhea: Is it as simple as I got ghosted? That's my karma. I transcended my shadow. That's my destiny.

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: So destiny is kind of the bits you're meant to achieve and karma is the bits that hurt to get you there.

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: When you are in your karma

Liz: To get you to wake up, or whatever. To wake up to your hurt and all of that and face it. So yes, it's not our destiny to suffer personally. Karma is our suffering. Destiny is the result of the choices we make and how we heal that karma, or if we keep perpetuating that karma.

Rhea: Is that also destiny?

Liz: No, that's that free will we talk about that comes only in 3D

Rhea: Destiny is the good bits?

Liz: Yes. We're all here. Again, as we said in point A, we're all here for Oneness, so we have this belief because of 3D and Separation and all the bullshit that's going on inside of us, that we're constantly toiling through, that life is just really shitty. It's just a series of really shitty experiences, punctuated by a few joyful or blissful moments if you're lucky. But the reality is that we're meant to create lives that aren't meant to be so shitty. Until we've worked through all those shitty moments, that there doesn't need to be more of them. Of course we're human, so the beauty of our human experience and why we are having this human experience is we are meant to experience this entire spectrum of emotion. So of course, certain things are going to happen that are going to move us across that spectrum where we're not always going to exist on the one side of joy, peace, bliss, whatever. Yes, we can get there, but it doesn't mean that those other moments won't come in. We'll manage them differently so they don't ...

Rhea: But they won't be our destiny?

Liz: No. That's just what was needed to get us to wake up to the Separation within. But once you heal the Separation within, they're not so personal. We just don't carry it the same way. We can feel them and they can be very sad. But again, it won't feel like our entire world, our lives or everything just gets ripped to shreds every time something happens.

Rhea: Okay.

Liz: Yeah. So fate is a 5D, Fifth-dimensional Oneness concept, really.

Rhea: So we never had fate in 3D?

Liz: Most have never been able to experience it due to where they're at on their karmic evolution

Rhea: Is fate also positive like destiny is?

Liz: Oh yeah, absolutely.

Rhea: Okay.

Liz: You don't seem to think so, but we'll talk about that.

Rhea: Okay.

Liz: So fate is the very, very, very, very large realization of our purpose. If our purpose is to be the best version of ourselves we can be, as we have hammered home this season. I know that because I feel like we just purpose, purpose, purpose, like all the time.

Rhea: And it's not the best version of ourselves that other people think we are. It's the best version of ourselves that we think.

Liz: Oh God, yeah. Exactly!

Rhea: And it's not from a 'I could be better' place.

Liz: No.

Rhea: It's just to be the best version of ourselves is to recognize we are always doing our best

Liz: Exactly. And being the best. I'm living my best life and it's not in the how that's defined by anyone else. It's how it's defined by me.

Rhea: Yeah. I'm literally doing whatever the fuck I do whenever I want to fucking do it.

Liz: Yeah, and it's not a static concept because we're here to grow and evolve. Our best life and whatever version of that will always be changing as well. So year to year, we're not expected to be in the same place doing the same thing necessarily. We're dynamic beings so however we're being is also dynamic

Rhea: And that's not our destiny?

Liz: No. Fate is the amalgamation of all the possibilities and probabilities of that self, so if our purpose is to be the best version of ourselves all the time, then fate is the sum total of all the possibilities and probabilities of that self.

Rhea: So fate isn't one path at all?

Liz: We couldn't even describe the number of variables that would be tied into a single person.

Rhea: So you could hit your fate. You have a choice.

Liz: You do. You have choices and so of course your will is important because your will is what decides it. It's not like how in 3D you require free will.

Rhea: Because free will is simply the choice to keep yourself in separation.

Liz: Yes. It's your choice to keep yourself in Separation and operate within that spectrum of polarity. I'm going to be good. I'm going to be bad.

Rhea: Well, we definitely have spoken about this and I get this quite clearly. The more you connect to yourself and you become conscious and whole, the less you can do, the less choices you can make. So technically you could make loads of choices in any situation

Liz: Oh, you mean sort of like the fewer choices become available or seem to be available.

Rhea: Well, no. It's as simple as whereas before let's say - I'm going to use a really stupid example - whereas if you're always used to sublimating your needs for someone else and then you work through your crap, you've going to actually no, I'm going to choose myself a little bit more.

Liz: Well, it might be. I think it would help me to have a boundary here.

Rhea: Yeah, exactly. Then when it...

Liz: This is not a stupid example. Why would you say such a thing?

Rhea: So when a situation arises, which either involves you doing what you've always done or putting up a boundary, you physically, mentally, emotionally will not be able to do anything but put up the boundary, which is what we mean about following your heart because once you've tapped into your heart, you know which choice you're going to make it every step.

Liz: Yeah.

Rhea: So that's where free will goes out the window because technically yes, you could do a plethora of things, but also technically you can't anymore.

Liz: Yeah.

Rhea: And that's what we mean.

Liz: Yeah. You just won't. It just wouldn't even occur to you. And if it does, it wouldn't even...

Rhea: It feels terrible.

Liz: It would feel... it does. It does because it would bring you back into that space of Separation within. Nobody wants to go there once they're not in it anymore

Rhea: And that's the tough thing when you're interacting with other people who are still remaining in those patterns is that you feel like I either have to do what I've always done, which I don't like or do something so different that it'll rock the boat, which I also don't like, and then it feels like you have no choice that's clear.

Liz: Right. So effectively for anybody who might find themselves in that scenario, the simplest - maybe not easy, but the simplest - thing you can ask yourself in that moment is what is going to bring me peace. You don't have to break it down very much. You don't have to analyze it. You don't have to try to work out all the consequences of how that is going to impact you later. Just in that moment, step-by-step, minute to minute, what is going to bring me the most peace right now? I'm just going to keep going in the most peaceful way possible, and I will deal with however and whatever comes later.

Rhea: But what is different.

Liz: Well, yeah. So when you're in your fate, you're still operating from a place of will. Your own self-determination still exists. When you are operating from fate, as you said, the choices, the possibilities, the probabilities become even greater, so each choice you make leads to another choice and another, and fate is so large that existing within the boundaries of your fate is not limiting. It's not as limiting as destiny because destiny, you're still operating in 3D. You're still kind of maybe in your karmic story a bit, whereas once you've transcended all that, a lot more opens up and you can sort of see that when people make big life changes much later in life, because suddenly once they're out of their karma, it's like, what the fuck was I doing all that? Why was I living my life like that? Why was I even living there when it suits me so much more to be here?

Rhea: So what's written before you come then?

Liz: Your fate. Your fate is written before you come into body.

Rhea: Which is all the hundreds of thousands of different possibilities and probabilities that this life could be in.

Liz: Exactly.

Rhea: Okay.

Liz: Yeah. I mean, we don't have that much time on this earth plane. Do we need more options that?

Rhea: No, no, no. I'm just interesting.

Liz: I mean, I'm asking the same question. That's what I'm asking. I was like, really guys. Do you want that in there, that number? And they're like, yeah. Fine. I was like, okay.

Rhea: So then, does destiny then exist in 5D?

Liz: No, because once you've transcended your karma and you've entered Oneness, destiny becomes moot

Rhea: Because your destiny was to get rid of your karma?

Liz: Yeah, pretty much.

Rhea: So once you've lived your destiny, you're out of your karma, then you're ready to live your fate, which is explore all the possibilities and probabilities.

Liz: Exactly! Suddenly I don't need this one job. I don't need to live here. I don't need to have this type of relationship. I don't need to put up with any of this bullshit

Rhea: Every choice will lead to something else.

Liz: Exactly. And that's so much more is available to you than you originally thought or had ever conceived of.

Rhea: Could one of them be for me to suffer?

Liz: No, because you're not meant to suffer in 5D. We're here to transcend our suffering through our karmic experience. When you're not in your karmic experience, you're not meant to suffer. If you do, you've got to understand what circumstances are you choosing that is bringing that about. What am I not owning that is somehow leading me down this path of suffering? It's the, how soon can I get out of my suffering? How soon can I wake up, become a conscious being and end this bullshit already? That's the point. To sort of sum up, our lives end up being shaped by two things. Our karma, which is the suffering bit that we have to burn through in order to become fearless and come into our divine selves.

Rhea: And our destiny are the high notes we hit along the way out of the karma.

Liz: Yes, but it's karma or fate. So once we've burned out the karma and we come into Oneness, we've got fate. But we are already born with this fate.

Rhea: Just most of us had never even lived a dot of it

Liz: Precisely. So depending on the choices we make throughout our karmic story, we're either moving along the various trajectories of that fate, or our lives become so dictated by our pain and our fear that we become locked in a loop which we might call fate or have thought was fate like you had thought. You know, God my fate must just be to have this really shitty experience over and over, but that doesn't have to do with our fate at all. That's really just the karmic bit.

Rhea: If you say that fate starts once we're out of our karma...

Liz: Well, we get to experience it consciously once we're out of our karma, but we're always living in our fate as well from the time we were born.

Rhea: Well, because the first step of our fate is to get rid of our karma, therefore we are living in it.

Liz: Exactly.

Rhea: But really when we're out of our karma, karma has determined in terms of the possibilities and probabilities. It's just where are we starting from. Are we starting from London? Are we starting from California? Are we starting...? If you imagine it like a game where you can turn left and right any way you go, it's just where is that start point, and that start point is dictated by how we've gone through our destiny.

Liz: Yes, exactly.

Rhea: And how we've managed our karma.

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: That's it.

Liz: Precisely.

Rhea: So it is living our fate, but it's a bit like saying technically you arrive somewhere after a car journey when you get out of the car at the destination. But you could also argue that you started that journey when you got in the car at your house. So really karma was here to get us to a point where we were able to create everything that we wanted, and it was the way to get us to the starting point of our fate, which was just to live a magical life. But we spent so long in our karma, we thought that it was our fate and we thought that life was suffering.

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: And we thought that love was pain when really all it was were tools to get us to hit our high notes, learn the bits that we needed to learn, learn that we were whole and perfect and divine and then go and live it.

Liz: Yes. Your purpose does not bring you into your fate. Your purpose helps you realize your fate. That as I own myself, as I become the best version of myself, wow, there's so much more to the life I know already because I can see it a bit more for what it is, because I can see myself for who I am.

Rhea: Like karma is teaching you all the tools to remember you’re whole and perfect and all the rest of it.

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: Purpose is teaching you all the tools on how to express that.

Liz: Yes

Rhea: So you're learning that you're whole and perfect, and you're learning how you want to express your wholeness and your perfectness in your purpose. So then when you're out of your karma, you can then express your wholeness and perfectness in a myriad of ways, but the reason why it's not millions and billions and only a hundred thousand is because...

Liz: Hundred thousand.

Rhea: Hundreds of thousands is because you are who you are. And just like I was saying with the destiny bit that like there are choices that you can make and there are choices that just don't feel good, it's a bit like that. There are going to be possibilities and probabilities that you're not going to want to do because they're not in line with who you are.

Liz: Purpose is the largest expression of our divine identity. Now this is not us redefining purpose, but it is adding a sort of nuanced label to it because divine identity very simply expresses that we are good enough. Our karmic story says I am not good enough. When we've transcended that karmic story and we've burned out our fear and we're really beyond ego, when we are in that space of good enough, we're able to exude the very light that we bring to all we do.

Rhea: If you are living your purpose and therefore you are existing in a state of Love, you are shining your light for everyone to see, and you are light. You recognize that you're good enough, that you believe that things will work out. You have faith that no matter what happens, it will always be in your highest good and some unknown force has got your back. You trust it, you hope it, you know it and you are just kind of in flow and living a good fucking life. So you are light and you're holding light and the reason why you're light and you're believing all these things is because you recognize that you are part of something bigger. You recognize that you are, you would call it divine. We are part of something bigger and lighter and magical. I guess divine identity is actually quite a good word for it because it's like, I am good. I am good enough. I am enough. I'm more than enough and I'm light. I can create whatever I want from that space.

Liz: And the more light that we bring, the more magic we're capable of. Light is knowledge so all the light that you hold, this divine identity is knowledge. It contains within it all the building blocks, so the more light you have, the more knowledge you hold. Now it could get a little confusing so just keep a very open mind when I describe this. Knowledge itself is not what we think it is.

Rhea: Because that was in Separation. Knowledge in 3D is expectation

Liz: It's expectation. It's one plus one equals two. It's the things that we could sort of quantify

Rhea: And it's connecting the wrong dots to each other.

Liz: Well, it's connecting dots to make life suitable, livable, less horrible, and that's how it worked. It's something we can understand. It's narrow. It's linear. Now, when you are in the larger fabric of your fate, when you are much more expanded, operating from a place of higher consciousness, which we will not talk about in this episode, but when you are really in that space, knowledge has to do with the ability to connect and see all things for what they are.

Rhea: I'm just going to let you...

Liz: Okay. So the more light you have, the more knowledge you hold, as in you can become a container for all the knowing that you need to have. So the more light you hold means the more substance is contained within that light. The more substance that is brought forward into the physical realm through our being, the more of that substance takes form. Does that make sense?

Rhea: No.

Liz: So if light is knowledge, the more light we hold, the more we can express that light the physical realm. So once we've been able to then express that and bring that into the physical realm, the more that that knowledge can take form. If you are in your purpose, that light, that divine identity...

Rhea: Fine. I understand. Oh, I forgot we just learned divine identity. Okay. So when you're in your divine identity, which is basically when you know you're good enough, you're just full of light and you're full of possibility.

Liz: And your potential.

Rhea: You're full of possibility, full of potential. You're full of hope. When you're holding all that light, you just have a different sense of knowledge.

Liz: You do. Your knowing does take a different form, doesn't it?

Rhea: It's almost like then when you do stuff, it's almost like magically, it works out. What it actually is doing is you're making that light have form on this physical plane.

Liz: That light takes form because of what you do.

Rhea: Which makes sense, because if you think about it from karma's perspective, if in your head you're thinking you're not good enough and you're making choices from that space and you're expecting everything to blow up and you're holding not so much light, it all kind of does blow up. So if you're holding a lot of light and you know that you're good enough, it's probably going to work out differently. And so in karma, you are creating - even if it's just perspectively - a world where you are not good enough. So, when you're out of your karma, you are creating a world where you are.

Liz: What you described is effectively true manifestation, or what I prefer to call magic. Law of Attraction says that we attract, draw or magnetize what it is that we desire, want, need, et cetera. But when we're coming from a space of our divine identity, whatever it is that we truly desire or require to best express that identity is able to come to fruition by the very fact that it is a part of who we are. It is not something that is separate from us. It actually is just a natural expression of you, but in a way that does not require the mental body to get you there, but it's about being the full embodiment of your purpose to be able to do it. That's where this concept of magic versus manifestation, either classic or modern, that's where they differ because much of manifestation is still very much mental body work.

Rhea: Okay.

Liz: Okay. It's not spiritual body work. It's not really emotional body work. It can be. But again, that's kind of mental body/emotional body trying to heal those, get them to work together.

Rhea: But really, the only time you can truly, truly manifest or magic anything is when you're already a whole, divine being cause that's when you understand that you are God.

Liz: Exactly.

Rhea: So everything, of course you can manifest it.

Liz: Precisely, because it's from that place of higher consciousness. And that's why people can certainly manifest in small ways, but the real magic stuff, the stuff that's really, truly in line with purpose and that allows you to not just be in flow because flow is just an example of sort of like an easy, small scale stuff. I need something, oh, it came, yay. Universe provides. Love it. It's all very lovely.

Rhea: That's what people are being taught as manifestation.

Liz: Yes, exactly.

Rhea: So what we're saying is it can be much bigger than that.

Liz: It IS much bigger than that. I mean, it's emphatic. It is not just a truth; it is a fact that our smallness, which is a result of our Separation and our experience in Separation has us reaching for the small stuff.

Rhea: Like when you talk about normal manifestation, if you're still in your karma, then you're not able to really follow your heart. You're wondering is this a test? Am I doing the right thing? Have I manifested wrong? You're still believing that you're not good enough to get what you truly want.

Liz: Cause you're in your karmic story and you're doing it from the mental body.

Rhea: Yeah. So when you really believe that you know you're good enough to get whatever you want, you just get it.

Liz: Yeah. It just comes. The distinction as we said between modern manifestation teachings and magic really has to do with the divine identity because we really have to be completely and wholly in that divine expression in order to truly bring in that which will best serve our purpose, and bring forward all the essential possibilities and probabilities that are written in our fate. So just like you were describing, when you were sort of feeling needy and not feeling good enoughand just wanting and wanting, not just for the sake of wanting but in order to feel better, we're going to be all over the place. We're going to be reacting and acting out of our karma, but that keeps us much farther away from our light. It keeps us not operating through our fate and then it keeps us out of our purpose and we're not here for that. We're not here, and as a result that keeps us small. I need somebody to give this to me. I need this to happen, so then. That's not creatorship; that's not co-creatorship. That's not even manifestation-ship, if you will. I know that's not a real word; don't get on me. That is just, I need something to source me and I can't do it myself. So really, as we say that we're here for Oneness, divine identity - and I guess this is Season 5 - divine identity is ultimately our common goal and that's what arrives through Oneness consciousness.

Rhea: Oh my God! There's a step after oneness consciousness. This is the worse news!

Liz: I know!