Money, Power & Respect

Rhea: It's always really felt that the more money you have, the more power you have. It's very much is that the richer you are, the more powerful you are, therefore you're the one who are able to make the rules. And it feels like we've had this kind of top-down approach to governing, like the 1% educating the 99. The 1% governing the 99.

Liz: Although I would definitely caution around the use of 1%, because I think people have different interpretations and definitions of the "1%", and I know that when people started using that, there were a lot of different associations made with who the 1% were, because it's not a lifestyle thing necessarily. It is certainly dictated by your finances a bit, like in terms of your comfort level and your sense of security, because that's what we always said in 3D, the more money you had, the more security you could afford yourself. And really, those who were in positions truly to have that level of comfort and security weren't even 1%. It was even smaller.

Rhea: Yeah. Well, I think that's exactly it. It's just . . .

Liz: Yeah. It's just that. It's that extremely small minority of people and also in how influential they are. So even if they're not governing, they're certainly influencing thought, aren't they?

Rhea: Totally, totally.

Liz: It's often that view that people have less than in any regard, whether it's money or opportunity. I mean, it could just be, oh, this person is so much smarter than I am, therefore they must know better.

Rhea: Exactly.

Liz: Yeah. And so, whatever it is, where we're feeling less than, you assume somebody has more than, and then therefore we should listen or have respect for what they have to say, and then we tend to forget that we are just as capable. Perhaps not in the same arena. It could very well be another arena.

Rhea: Well, that's the thing, isn't it? This episode really reminds me of Season 2 in many ways, because as we've been talking a lot about those power dynamics and how they're shifting, and how actually we're starting to see that the power comes from the inside and it's a different type of power.

Liz: Very much.

Rhea: It's a power that is much more about I know who I am. I know what's good for me and I'm going to follow my heart. That's a very different type of power because it's an empowerment rather than I do not trust myself. I do not think I'm good enough to make decisions for myself. Therefore, I refer to someone else who is either richer, smarter, or more influential than I am to dictate how I operate

Liz: Or just braver. Just fearless enough to say with whatever the fuck is on their mind, and that makes them cooler.

Rhea: Old dynamics are definitely about the sheep and the shepherd. As these power dynamics are going to start to shift more and more, the easiest way to remain grounded and centered and again, as we discussed in Season 2 a lot, is to remember where your power lies

Liz: Yes. Entirely.

Rhea: And really that power is on the inside, right?

Liz: Completely. That's where it always was, but we were taught that it wasn't, we were taught that we were born imperfect.

Rhea: We were taught that we had to conform.

Liz: Completely.

Rhea: Someone else telling us how we are to conform, in which manner we need to look like, think like, be like, act like in order to conform, in order to - which is their message, which is now not true - to survive

Liz: Completely, and we got a huge, huge taste of that earlier this year [2020].

Rhea: Yeah, totally, totally.

Liz: Completely, and that now is going to breed a level of mistrust

Rhea: But how does one, when the world feels like it's crumbling around us in some way, or we feel like there's a power vacuum in some way, or there will be a power vacuum, how do we remember if we can't, how do we find that inner power? How do we connect to our own empowerment?

Liz: We have to know ourselves from the inside out. We have to know ourselves completely and utterly. And in order to really know ourselves very well, what allows that or what enables that knowing is having divested ourselves of our fears.

Rhea: Okay. You said it differently than what it's written now because I read it as, because it begins first with knowing ourselves then divesting ourselves of our fears, because I didn't think you could know yourself without divesting yourself from your fears.

Liz: Actually, you can. This entire theme of the season is really peace, and we discussed what peace is in the first episode. And knowing ourselves and understanding our journeys, if you will, may not make a lot of sense, but somehow, we know that that's what we've got to do to get to where we're going. There's a knowing to that. I know I got to do this. Now, will we have divested ourselves entirely before we know ourselves? Not necessarily. We might be using those fears to play out our story.

Rhea: Yeah. Because I believe that you can't fully know yourself until you've burnt out a portion of your fears or most of your fears because otherwise until you've burnt it out, you believe your fears are who you are. It's very difficult and I think about this quite a lot actually. You know that question - is this my fear or is this who I am? It's something that we've discussed a lot and actually we advocate doesn't matter. Run into it, you'll find out. And either way you're either burning out a fear or learning something new so we advocate that. But saying that, I don't believe you can really know yourself, truly know yourself, until you started doing that process because then every fear that you divest gets you closer to who you are.

Liz: I mean, sure. You could have divested yourself of a certain amount to start to know, but the point here—and I hope I can explain this well—our fears play out in our personal stories, right? Our karmic themes and stuff like that. Our karmic themes are really showing us this is where your fear lies. I am not good enough

Rhea: Question - what's the difference between a karmic theme and a karmic story?

Liz: So the theme is I am ... whatever. The story is how we've experienced that theme, how it has played out.

Rhea: So, for example, I am unlovable, you could experience it through the story of failed relationships, but you could also experience it through the story of a shitty family dynamic. They're two different stories from the same theme.

Liz: So, it could be that you have an understanding, your karmic theme played out a story on a personal level, just like you described - shitty family dynamic, shitty relationships, toxic relationships, and have looped through that. And in order to come into your power and to know yourself, which is effectively also just remembering your divinity, you'll have burned out some of your fear. But it could be that your story plays into a larger story, that your disempowerment plays into the disempowerment of a collective.

Rhea: So you can know yourself but feel trapped in a larger karmic story. So it doesn't have to be a personal karmic story.

Liz: Nope. Not at all. And that's what we're going to be really confronting next year [2021].

Rhea: So do we all have a collective karmic story and a personal one?

Liz: No, not everyone. There are those whose growth trajectory and karmic evolution is just a very simple one. So, it doesn't involve a collective. I was here to experience this and I'm living in this small town and I live this very simple life and that's enough. The bigger the soul, the bigger the purpose, the more likely that one has that collective karmic story. And it could be myriad things from race to gender, sexuality. It could be everything, religion.

Rhea: When I hear knowing ourselves, I hear just being so sensitive in that knowing. And when I think about my journey, I don't know if I'm still there yet in some ways.

Liz: Right. But you know your truth.

Rhea: I know how to recognize my truth. I don't consistently know my truth. I know what to do in order to find my truth.

Liz: You're being very lawyerly by parsing this out a lot more than you really need to though.

Rhea: I know but I just feel that . . .

Liz: I think, and this isn't just you, but sometimes people do that because they don't want to take full responsibility. Like the responsibility of knowing myself. You know, if I've got to say, I know myself, I need to be able to say that 100%

Rhea: Part of it is responsibility. I can see that. But I think part of it is then I don't want to make a mistake. But part of it also I would argue is that as we grow and evolve, we do evolve ourselves. So I don't think knowing ourselves is necessarily a static quality.

Liz: Not at all. No. Part of knowing ourselves is really just also getting that there's more to understand and there's more there.

Rhea: So, I would argue that right now with my knowledge, like with who I am and where I am, I know myself as much as I can, but I can also know and as I said, I can find my truth. Sometimes I don't necessarily know it straight away, but I can see that as I know myself enough to know whatever happens, I can figure out where I stand in it. But that's because I'm only now starting to finally approach accepting that I am not the person my stories told me I was. I'm only now starting to believe that it's possible for me to not have been the person I was.

Liz: It takes a lot to get to that point.

Rhea: And that is huge.

Liz: That's huge!

Rhea: The hugest and . . .

Liz: It's so big.

Rhea: And if we were to do percentages, I'm making this up, I feel like I'm at like 1%, 2% max in really accepting that I'm not that person. Because I think as we've been talking about a lot at the end of Season 3, about the scars that are left sometimes from the learning. I do think that it is hard to trust that it will stay like that.

Liz: It's hard to trust. Yes.

Rhea: Because you know, often we get taught by a huge fall, a huge jump, a huge break. So it's that . . .

Liz: The fall from grace.

Rhea: Exactly. So I think that really accepting that we are not the person we thought we were, that our stories told us that we were, that we no longer read between the lines and fill it with our karmic stories. Those things take time.

Liz: They really do, and I know that there are some people out there, some very influential, spiritual people out there who just say, it's easy. Just let go. Let go of your story.

Rhea: Yeah. But they creep back in.

Liz: They creep back in, if that level of acceptance has not been reached because you don't know yourself well enough because you're just going with what other people are telling you.

Rhea: But not even that. Not even that.

Liz: And if your fears are still present, even just that little bit of insecurity, it is really difficult to get to that level of acceptance.

Rhea: For me, it really is a time thing. It really does. Yes, I notice that I say things differently and I do things differently finally. And even now when I look around my actual life and it is starting to appear in my physical world, like once I changed the internal perceptions of who I was and it's appearing in my physical world differently now, I'm only just mini-allowing myself to consider accepting that I am not the person my stories told me I was. Accepting that the other shoe won't fall still takes time. And honestly, the one thing that has freed me from spiraling about this is kind of not allowing myself to judge that I still don't believe that, because I can imagine old me would be like, what the fuck's wrong with you? Look at what's going on around you! Can't you see how everything's so different? Why aren't you just enjoying it? But I can't judge myself for that. I can't.

Liz: And by the way, often those types of messages, like isn't it all great? I mean, sometimes that's also ego.

Rhea: Yeah. True. Sometimes I look back on a story and I'd be like, Oh, if I wasn't so focused on the ending, I could have really enjoyed those moments. Whereas now it's definitely like, I don't really know what will happen next, but I'm going to enjoy this as much as I can. So I can see things shifting towards accepting that something has changed. I can see that, but I just think that I find even like we expect on this healing business, this journey that we're all on, that once we heal something and we let something be, and it becomes part of us and it's no longer a trauma or a hurt or a pain . . .

Liz: It's not dictating our lives.

Rhea: That we just think, Oh, everything's great now. And why aren't we happy now? And actually really, don't judge it. You lived under that story for a while. It's going to take a while to fully just not even allow the echoes or remnants, but just to really, it'd be so far away that is in your past. Like you know when we were talking about moving from 3D to 5D in episode 17.

Liz: Of Season 3?

Rhea: Of Season 3. We were talking about Indigo children and the new children and how really in order to get to the next full stage to be fully entrenched in 5D really no one can exist on our earth plane that lived in 3D?

Liz: Completely.

Rhea: Because they would somehow hold parts of 3D in them.

Liz: Yes.

Rhea: I see it a bit like that, in that there are still parts of my behaviors, my mannerisms, my reactions that even though I don't necessarily believe it, are still holding old me. And only over time, once my cells have shed, I've peed enough, I've cut my hair enough, I've lost my physical memory of that will I truly be free of it in some ways.

Liz: Beautifully said, yes. Exactly.

Rhea: I mean, it's beautifully said that you said when you peed out 3D

Liz: But it's kind of true. I mean, we need a massive detox of 3D

Rhea: Whether it comes first, knowing ourselves, divesting our fears, how far. Those two I feel are very interlinked with each other. But I think really accepting, fully accepting that we are not the person our stories told us we were, that we are utterly capable of creating every dream that we want that is aligned with our purpose will take time, regardless of how much of your karma, of the shit happened to you, you have managed to walk through

Liz: And what gets us there is respect.

Rhea: Okay.

Liz: Yeah.

Rhea: Explain.

Liz: So we've talked a lot about compassion, right? Being in step with others, and we might find with a lot of the inequalities and inequities that were being thrown in our faces earlier this year [2020] that compassion could be a reach. We might still just be a little bit too wired for 3D, maybe a little bit in our pain, still kind of working through the knowing and the fears and the self-acceptance, and respect is critical to compassion. And so it might just be enough just to be like, can we just get to a level of respect, because that has been really difficult, especially this year [2020].

Rhea: I respect your feelings enough that I'm going to try and understand why, and I don't need to talk it through with you. I don't need to do anything for you, but I'm going to respect you enough to say they're valid, whether or not I understand them. And if I'm able to have the compassion for them even better, but either way we need to end—and this is the only need and end I will put in here—judgment and shaming of other people.

Liz: Yes. And if you carry that . . .

Rhea: It just keeps us locked in all the crap. Enough!

Liz: It does. If you do, then you do not hold respect. And we are going to say this because we need to have it in this. Respect is only possible when we can fully accept ourselves for who we are, because only then can we allow others to be themselves fully.

Rhea: It doesn't mean you can't disagree with them, but you can respectfully disagree with them.

Liz: Completely.

Rhea: And that's the difference.

Liz: Yeah, because we've needed that. We've needed disagreement. We've needed discourse. We've needed the Socratic method, if you will, because there was no way we were going to come out of 3D without it.

Rhea: And look at the conversation we just had about knowing and fears. That was us doing it live on the air. It's possible to really . . . You cannot know someone else's needs or views or wants without communication, and often that communication might end up being something that you guys don't agree with. You might not. No one ever is like, oh, a hundred percent. Everything you say is perfect. No, but at the end of the day, if you truly respect the other person, then you just allow them to be themselves, whether or not, and it shouldn't impede you being yourself either. It's when we start throwing judgment and shame about, and it's like, I'm judging you for being like that, therefore, I must be something else. Therefore, I must act this way and I must act that way. All judgment and shame do is putting more rules on and removing that respect because wherever . . .

Liz: And removing the humanity from the experience of this human experience, if you will, and the one mistake that we cannot make in understanding what Oneness Consciousness is, is the belief that we should all think the same, we should all believe the same.

Rhea: No, we should not all believe the same.

Liz: Because what we've done is, we've kind of swung the other way.

Rhea: We are all individuals who respect each other and allow everyone to live their lives the way in which works best for them.

Liz: And that is the I/thou that we spoke about in previous seasons. You do you, I will do me. You doing you cannot impede me being me.

Rhea: No.

Liz: And if it does, then there's an issue that we need to work out. And my doing me does not impact or impede you doing you

Rhea: And at the end of the day, I respect myself enough to listen to me. I respect you enough so I do not put rules and shoulds and woulds on you, whether it is a personal relationship or a collective one, because actually what's interesting is the more we can be in that space of respect, the less personal it becomes anyway.

Liz: With the assumption that our point of view is somehow the correct one, that's our ego talking, isn't it?

Rhea: Exactly. So really it's just like, you know, and it makes sense to me because the more we can be in a place of respect and just going, look, you feel this way for whatever reason and I might not agree with it, but fair enough for you. It makes it a lot less personal, but then the less personal than it is, it's also the less judgment there is. I don't exercise as much towards myself. I don't feel as judged by others and also I'm not judging other people too. There's just a lot less judgment out there because it just kind of removes it as well and then the less from your ego that you operate.

Liz: And let me tell you when sort of inflammatory statements, when they don't have anywhere to land, because we don't respond, they go away faster. The more insulting or the more negative the message, it is from a place of pain, and we only will engage with it because of our own pain.

Rhea: Exactly.

Liz: And so, the more we've addressed our own pain, the less of that story we need to connect to.

Rhea: And then the more we allow everyone to have their space in the world, the less power is concentrated in one person, and the more everyone can become empowered so we can flip that initial power structure differently.

Liz: Exactly.