Abundance Transcript
Liz: Abundance isn’t necessarily about money. It’s part of the equation, but it’s really about having enough.
Rhea: More than enough, or just enough?
Liz: Just enough. Always having enough. Enough food on the table, enough money in the bank account, a home that will provide enough space for one’s self or their family
Rhea: So it’s not just financial
Liz: The notion of abundance is having a whole lot of something, so often when we hear abundance, our brains go there, but a lot of that comes from greed. It’s how people have treated it. It’s the attitudes that’s been shaped by greed, which comes from fear – fear of lack. So we are afraid that something is going to run out, we are not going to have enough so we hoard and hoard. Most people will do everything in their power to not be on the end of the spectrum of need, which then destroys what is really natural abundance.
Rhea: Because people are scared of not having, they want to have more than they need, when actually the focus should be on you have exactly what you need.
Liz: Exactly! When I talked about the practices I had around the world and how money was often one of the biggest questions, along with relationship. It varies for most people, but the answer is generally yes, but it’s how they choose to define what enough is, and enough has everything to do with your purpose. So the more aligned you are with your purpose, the more abundance you will have
Rhea: In all aspects?
Liz: Yes. There is no reason to have come into body if you didn’t have a purpose.
Rhea: To define what abundance means to you, you have got to first define what your life means to you?
Liz: Yes. What is your most divine expression?
Rhea: So where are you the happiest?
Liz: Where are you most in love? When are you most experiencing love? What is that relationship, not necessarily with another person, but what are you engaged in that brings you the greatest feeling of love or joy, which is the precursor to love?
Rhea: What is making you the most joyful?
Liz: Or what is allowing you to create joy in your life?
Rhea: Once you figure that out, everything tends to align to give you enough to make that happen.
Liz: What happens is that we forget what our purpose is. We often disconnect from that because we look at the world around us and we think that if I don’t make enough money, I will not live like this person. I will have FOMO. That’s what drives a lot of the FOMO to live like that. The more value we place on accumulating wealth, the farther away we get from our purpose, because then we attach our self-worth to the having and the experiencing.
Rhea: So for example, I am online and I am seeing all these people having these social media lives, and I feel like I need to do the same thing. What I am actually doing is allowing someone else to define what makes me happy.
Liz: Oh absolutely
Rhea: When you say purpose, it’s really about being in touch with what makes you – you.
Liz: It’s about living authentically
Rhea: Once you are authentically yourself, you will find that you have everything you need to continue being yourself.
Liz: Precisely, because that’s where self-worth ties to abundance.
Rhea: In general in our society, we naturally compare ourselves to others.
Liz: Yes.
Rhea: So the people that we believe are the happiest, we want to have the things or the experiences that they have, because we believe that they will make us happy too.
Liz: We’ve been sold that that is what will make us happy, and that’s the FOMO.
Rhea: So what we are doing is we are no longer looking inside ourselves and trying to find out where our joy is. We are not living authentically anymore, and then because we are not living authentically, we are not experiencing the abundance that we should.
Liz: Precisely.
Rhea: So what about then money?
Liz: Money is great. We need money. I think it is still a necessity in this world. We have often looked to people who have an excess of it and surrendered a great deal of power. It’s just how things have been since the beginning of time. Kings and serfs, gods and slaves
Rhea: We as a society think the more money you have, the more power you have, the more influence you have, the better life you have.
Liz: Yes, and that was true for many lifetimes. We have existed in that hierarchy and money has been a part of that hierarchy.
Rhea: I feel like this world is very much ruled by money – money and sex and power are the things that tend to always seem to go hand-in-hand
Liz: Well, we have conflated them to that
Rhea: And we don’t really have a hierarchy apart from celebrity and wealth, so the richer you are, the more powerful you are, the more influence you have, the more people want to be like you, the more people are jealous of you. Ease, happiness, all the rest is associated with the more money you have. We have equated it with power and influence. We have equated it with anything is possible. You can do everything that everyone else is doing, and because of the way our world is set up now with technology and with access to information, there is so much more that the world is doing that we are not.
Liz: Yes
Rhea: That’s not a way to live, because you are never going to be . . . just like you are never going to be perfect, you are never going to have done everything and achieved everything.
Liz: No
Rhea: You only need to have done and achieved enough – for you!
Liz: Because your life becomes a life of pursuit, as opposed to a life of purpose, so the seeking becomes the purpose. Most people are not meant to be seekers. There are some who are, and they are the explorers but that’s not for everybody.
Rhea: And that’s exactly it. No-one ever thinks they are abundant because there is stuff they know that they haven’t done that they could do
Liz: Oh yes
Rhea: Whether or not they want to is something totally different
Liz: Precisely. Well, perhaps they want to
Rhea: But whether or not they need to . . .
Liz: Or do they desire it really, because again we have confused our wants with our desires. Ultimately what we desire - aside love, which is everything, what we desire has only to do with our purpose.
Rhea: I think it is all well and good to say it’s not about money, but I can think of a lot of peoples’ lives who would be significantly improved if they had more money. How can our message of ‘it’s okay to just have enough’ make sense? I feel like we are asking people to settle.
Liz: We’re asking them to reframe not necessarily how they view money, but how much importance they place on it.
Rhea: So we are saying that money is important, but it’s not everything?
Liz: it has value, but we have equated our value with the value of money
Rhea: And that’s the issue?
Liz: Very much so.
Rhea: Money has a lot of value and it does give you a lot of opportunity, but it’s not everything about you
Liz: Money is not love. Money is not even a precursor to love. Money has nothing to do with love. Money affords experiences. It affords certain things that we need. Most of our world is currency-based so we do need it, but we have conflated its role in our lives to the extent that we literally cannot live without it, that we will die without it, and it’s that fear, it’s that desperate need to hold on to it that then distorts our relationship with money, and then distorts our relationship with abundance, because abundance really has nothing to do with money.
Rhea: When we talk about abundance, we talk about having enough
Liz: Yes
Rhea: When you think about money, you think about having more than enough because you want to cover every eventuality, because you don’t always have enough money to do what you want to do in the framework of abundance, we are not talking about manifesting money, we are talking about having enough to bring you joy.
Liz: To live your life. To live your purpose.
Rhea: Having enough of anything. So it’s not just having enough money, it’s having enough friends. It’s having enough lovers, it’s having enough . . .
Liz: It’s having enough love
Rhea: It’s having enough love
Liz: And having that love transmit and provide the foundation for that purpose
Rhea: But then what about worrying that money is going to run out?
Liz: Well, that’s fear. That’s the lack. Our world exists right now very much on that spectrum of having a lot or not at all.
Rhea: If we focus away from money as the only form of abundance, we would all live a much more equal life. So some people might have more money, some people might have a bigger house, some people might have a smaller house, but everyone has what they need in order to be joyful. So it doesn’t matter whether you buy the holiday or you win the holiday through a competition, you are still getting the experience that you wanted to experience.
Liz: Yes, absolutely
Rhea: It’s shifting the mindset
Liz: Absolutely, and shifting that away from material needs, or what we perceive to be our material needs. It’s a mindset and that’s accessing your mental body, speaking of things that we want to dispel, so it’s not mindfulness. It’s going back to the beginning of the fear of lack. It’s seeing it for what it is. There is such a deep, profound fear that I will die if I don’t have enough, and that defines that sense of I am not enough.
Rhea: Okay
Liz: And that’s where the self-worth bit comes in
Rhea: You are future-fearing
Liz: Yes, and worry blocks the law of attraction. Worry is a component of fear. It’s how we transmit our fear. So when we are really thinking life will be better when my ship comes in, it’s sort of this expectation that I am not in power. I am not in a place to influence my life around this, and again that goes back to self-worth.
Rhea: It’s not a shift of anything physical?
Liz: No
Rhea: But what will happen is everything around us will seem to change like with everything, the more you shift your mindset. In order to see that you have everything you need, the important word in that phrase is ‘you’, which might be different to what someone else needs in a different way.
Liz: Yes
Rhea: So depending on why everyone is here, what makes everyone happy, they might have different amounts of different things, but the one thing we that really mean when we say abundance is having enough love.
Liz: Yes
Rhea: And like everything else in what we have been talking about, the more love you have is the more love you can handle, and in order to handle more love, you really have to love yourself first.
Liz: Yes.
Rhea: So it’s like a container. How big can your cup go to hold as much love?
Liz: Which is infinite, by the way. It’s infinite, and the greatest block to self-love is how we measure our self-worth, so here it’s about untangling our sense of worth to external values of what worth is, which is often measured by money.
Rhea: The reason why we confuse abundance with money is because we have been socialized to think that abundance is money.
Liz: Yes
Rhea: It’s the one thing you can measure against someone else because it is a number; it’s tangible so we literally can measure how much more money we have than someone else, which should imply, in society’s standards, how much happier we are than someone else
Liz: And therefore we are literally worth more than that person.
Rhea: Yes.
Liz: And we have existed within that mindset for so long that we look at people who do have less money, and you could be the kindest, most spiritual and most compassionate person in the world, and you are still seeing their lack
Rhea: It goes full circle
Liz: It always does. Anytime you talk to somebody, like when you did in the beginning, and you say abundance seems like a lot of money, right?
Rhea: Yes
Liz: That’s where people immediately get it wrong. Not that I like right and wrong, but you get off track. Already then you are not in the abundance conversation. I learned rather early on that if I always held an attitude of lack, I’d always be wondering where the other shoe would fall, and I would sort of lose. People often say, money will alleviate the stress I feel because of the bills piling up, which is understandable. There are some people who have bills that are not their fault. A lot of people also have bills because of choices they have made, that are fear-based, that are FOMO-based, that are driven by insecurities and other issues, because they are living in lack
Rhea: It’s what we were saying when we look at love and we look at money. It’s kind of the same thing of you are telling yourself a story and you are using the evidence around you to back up that story. So you can either look at any of the stories that you ‘ve described or any person and say, well I don’t have enough because of X, Y, Z, or you could say, well, I do have enough because of X, Y, Z. So it’s all really about a perspective as well
Liz: Very much, but that perception around our needs versus our wants and our heart’s desires takes a level of maturity and honesty, because abundance is only enabled when the fear is gone, so what blocks abundance for most people is the fear that they are not deserving of it, they are not worthy of it, or that it will not last. Those are usually the three components of the fear of lack.
Rhea: How do you manage that? How do you change that?
Liz: That goes back to self-worth and it goes back again, to aligning with one’s purpose, and so when you have a full, joyful life, money has its place within that spectrum of abundance, but it is not the end. It’s not the final; it’s merely just one spot on that spectrum
Rhea: So the focus should really be instead of how much money can I get, it should be how can I ensure that I am living a joyful life?
Liz: One of the reasons why it is really difficult to get one’s head around this particular idea is that we have been so entrenched in lack and poverty and wealth . . .
Rhea: Yes, because we are fearing the future
Liz: Yes
Rhea: You are scared of the future because you are scared you are going to run out, because you don’t trust that things can stay good. You are always waiting – the good doesn’t always last. I understand that. I really do. We are conditioned that when good things happen, bad things follow. I find it really hard to trust the good. I always manifest the bad.
Liz: That’s right, because when you really hold the mindset that the other shoe will fall, it will.
Rhea: Well, then you can make it fall
Liz: Yes. Worry is merely a way in which we express our fear, so if you fear that your life will not be abundant, it will not be abundant.
Rhea: So is fear more powerful than any other thing?
Liz: No, love is the most powerful.
Rhea: So you can love and be scared, and love will trump the fear?
Liz: Very much, so long as there is more love than fear, more desire for love than the fear of lack
Rhea: And so what we are asking people to do is find the thing that lights them up and then focus on being light, because where light comes, light follows?
Liz: Very much, and also focus on the abundance that you do have
Rhea: Because where you see abundance, more abundance follows
Liz: Abundance is an energy that is born from the mindset that you have value, and that you are deserving and that you are worthy of everything that your heart desires, and what your heart desires is not a Lamborghini.
Rhea: What your heart desires is love
Liz: And everything that is an extension of love, which is not necessarily material things. Basic material things, yes but not beyond.
Rhea: Abundance is just having a full, joyful life
Liz: Exactly